NOTE: This discussion is repeatedly censored by Luke-Jr, the only user of Tonal Bitcoin. See History page of this Talk.
The point of Bitcoin is that it is a decentralized peer to peer currency. That is the novelty about Bitcoin; the novelty is NOT that it comes along with a funky new way of counting things. So please stop using Bitcoin to promote your own agenda ; this is just going to confuse people. If you want to introduce a new method for counting currency, I suggest you go talk to the FED and propose the Tonal Dollar, or whatever. ThomasV 14:33, 20 February 2011 (GMT)
- If Bitcoin has only one purpose, then it will never succeed. There are about as many people that care about a "decentralized peer to peer currency" as there are that care about Tonal. If you want BitCoin to succeed, you should support as many (legal) reasons to use it as possible. Also, whether it's ever enforced or not, vandalism and trolling should be bannable offenses. --Luke-jr 04:43, 21 February 2011 (GMT)
This page should be deleted. Nothing against Tonal, if there was a Hexadecimal Bitcoin or an Octal Bitcoin I would suggest those get deleted, too.
- Seconded. Tonal is not a key part of bitcoin, and currently not used in any form. If there is a reasonable number of users using tonal, then I would have no objections against this page. Mqrius 05:11, 2 February 2012 (GMT)
This is silly. I thought you'd removed this already, but it's seeping across to other pages despite me never seeing it in the wild. It serves only to confuse Gigitrix 01:41, 13 June 2011 (GMT)
I agree with Gavin that this page should be deleted. Regardless of my personal opinion or the technical merits of tonal v. decimal, it's fair to say that tonal attracts scorn and ridicule from the vast majority of the population if they hear about it. Bitcoin's reputation suffers from the association. ByteCoin 24 June 2011 (GMT)
- It's not fair to say that, no. --Luke-jr 00:45, 25 June 2011 (GMT)
I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --Raize
I think this page needs a much clearer explanation of what is being documented and would be better if it had a more descriptive name.
The page could be renamed somthing like "describing and writing amounts of BTC using Tonal numbers"
How about replacing the first couple of sentances with
"Currently most people who use bitcoin use decimal numbers to represent amounts of money. That means numbers using the digits 0 to 9. All known bitcoin software displays amounts of currency to user with decimal numbers.
Luke-jr thinks that there are people out there use a base 16 number system, he is probably right in the sense that it is correct to say that some people speak Latin because there are a few hundred people on the planet who speak Latin fluently.
This page is a proposal for a way that people who use a base 16 number system called the 'tonal system' could talk about or write down amounts of BTC.
This is about as useful as a book about making chocolate teapots written in esperanto. There is no evidence that anyone other than Luke-jr has ever used non-decimal numbers for bitcoin."
Voting about deleting page
I also think this page should be deleted. There are at least three people suggesting this now, so I will re-add the delete tag to the page. So far there seems to be only one objection to the delete. I will initiate voting on this talk page. --Rebroad 22:48, 20 March 2012 (GMT)
- Delete - I believe this tonal suggestion will only do harm to the bitcoin project, and so far the only person advocating it is luke-jr, who rarely gives any rational reasons that I nor anyone else AFAIK can understand. Sorry luke-jr, but I'm doing my best to get you to explain the benefits. --Rebroad 22:52, 20 March 2012 (GMT)
- Delete - I've been lurking for a while, but I registered after seeing this nonsense here. Clearly if luke-jr is simply (and rather immaturely) blanking the discussion rather than responding to the specific points he has few arguments to marshal in his favor. --Zyzygy (talk) 05:14, 26 August 2012 (GMT)
- Delete along with all other references to this bullshit one man show in history, firsts and maybe other places. It serves no other thing than to Luke's ego. Why should the wiki as a whole support this? Apparently he realized that he can't win with arguments as he just deleted this very discussion. --Giszmo (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2012 (GMT)
- Delete because:
- nobody knows it - it seems that all sources are from one person Luke-jr and from 150 years old (!) book. There is no notability. Nobody after cares about it. There are no "tonal system community" or "people that are using tonal system" - tonal system uses just 1 person and he is trying to misappropriate Bitcoin for this
- Tonal system is not at any way related to Bitcoin. Tonal system is related to numbers representation, not to monetary system. Please keep this page in general Wikipedia or some numeric Wikipedia, not in Bitcoin Wikipedia
- Tonal units are very confusing - from technically point of view (font, writing it) and mainly there is very similar to decimal numbers - there are many cases in which is not clear which system is used. Also TBC is common typing error of BTC
- Also I propose remove all notation about tonal from other wiki pages, for example Units (very confusing), History, Wallet protocol or Vocabulary, and prevent them from reverting back (as happened several times). At least until Luke-jr (or someone else) find notable cites to keeping it here. Aleš Janda (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2012 (GMT)
Luke-jr comment to voting: This is for discussion, not trolling. Note that this is not an encyclopedia, and does not have any "notability" requirements. If you don't want to use Tonal, don't. Trolling is not acceptable and will be deleted. Reasoned criticism is welcome in the "Criticism" section of the page.