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Midnightmagic: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */

2015-08-20T00:48:08Z

Remove Tonal Bitcoins

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	:: It's odd that you dispute the contention without doing anything but saying you are disputing the contention. There is real-world evidence that Tonal assists children who are trying to learn hexadecimal; Tonal units in Bitcoin are supported by significant, and ongoing, well-maintained patchsets which are used in high-volume production environments (Eligius, in specific,) and it was one of the original transformational patchsets that existed for Bitcoin. Dispute the contention, or leave the section alone. It does '''no harm''' to leave it in. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)		:: It's odd that you dispute the contention without doing anything but saying you are disputing the contention. There is real-world evidence that Tonal assists children who are trying to learn hexadecimal; Tonal units in Bitcoin are supported by significant, and ongoing, well-maintained patchsets which are used in high-volume production environments (Eligius, in specific,) and it was one of the original transformational patchsets that existed for Bitcoin. Dispute the contention, or leave the section alone. It does '''no harm''' to leave it in. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
			::: Additionally, I'll point out that '''notability is not a requirement for this wiki''' so please '''do not''' attempt to apply Wikipedia standards and practices to this wiki. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Midnightmagic: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */

2015-08-20T00:43:12Z

Remove Tonal Bitcoins

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	Any updates? I'd like to keep tonal off the units page, as discussion/consensus here seems to imply, but I'm getting some pushback by [[User:Midnightmagic]] and [[User:Luke-jr]]. Thoughts? Thanks, [[User:Bitcoinomy\|Bitcoinomy]] ([[User talk:Bitcoinomy\|talk]]) 16:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)		Any updates? I'd like to keep tonal off the units page, as discussion/consensus here seems to imply, but I'm getting some pushback by [[User:Midnightmagic]] and [[User:Luke-jr]]. Thoughts? Thanks, [[User:Bitcoinomy\|Bitcoinomy]] ([[User talk:Bitcoinomy\|talk]]) 16:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

	:: It's odd that you dispute the contention without doing anything but saying you are disputing the contention. There is real-world evidence that Tonal assists children who are trying to learn hexadecimal; Tonal units in Bitcoin are supported by significant, and ongoing patchsets which are used in high-volume production environments (Eligius, in specific,) and it was one of the original transformational patchsets that existed for Bitcoin. Dispute the contention, or leave the section alone. It does '''no harm''' to leave it in. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)		:: It's odd that you dispute the contention without doing anything but saying you are disputing the contention. There is real-world evidence that Tonal assists children who are trying to learn hexadecimal; Tonal units in Bitcoin are supported by significant, and ongoing, well-maintained patchsets which are used in high-volume production environments (Eligius, in specific,) and it was one of the original transformational patchsets that existed for Bitcoin. Dispute the contention, or leave the section alone. It does '''no harm''' to leave it in. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Midnightmagic: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */

2015-08-20T00:42:43Z

Remove Tonal Bitcoins

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	Any updates? I'd like to keep tonal off the units page, as discussion/consensus here seems to imply, but I'm getting some pushback by [[User:Midnightmagic]] and [[User:Luke-jr]]. Thoughts? Thanks, [[User:Bitcoinomy\|Bitcoinomy]] ([[User talk:Bitcoinomy\|talk]]) 16:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)		Any updates? I'd like to keep tonal off the units page, as discussion/consensus here seems to imply, but I'm getting some pushback by [[User:Midnightmagic]] and [[User:Luke-jr]]. Thoughts? Thanks, [[User:Bitcoinomy\|Bitcoinomy]] ([[User talk:Bitcoinomy\|talk]]) 16:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

			:: It's odd that you dispute the contention without doing anything but saying you are disputing the contention. There is real-world evidence that Tonal assists children who are trying to learn hexadecimal; Tonal units in Bitcoin are supported by significant, and ongoing patchsets which are used in high-volume production environments (Eligius, in specific,) and it was one of the original transformational patchsets that existed for Bitcoin. Dispute the contention, or leave the section alone. It does '''no harm''' to leave it in. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 00:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Bitcoinomy: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */ sigh.

2015-08-19T16:55:26Z

Remove Tonal Bitcoins: sigh.

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	:::I agree. I have looked into other systems (including Tonal) long before I had even heard of Bitcoin, and think that they're nice, but in the end, they simply don't belong here. Tonal Bitcoin is an idea that deserves its own page, but should be confined therein. Tonal will (unfortunately) probably never reach the stage of adoption that makes it notable enough to be listed here, with units that are actually used. (That said, I think we should also omit the almost entirely unused SI units (hecto-,mega-,etc.)) [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 21:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)		:::I agree. I have looked into other systems (including Tonal) long before I had even heard of Bitcoin, and think that they're nice, but in the end, they simply don't belong here. Tonal Bitcoin is an idea that deserves its own page, but should be confined therein. Tonal will (unfortunately) probably never reach the stage of adoption that makes it notable enough to be listed here, with units that are actually used. (That said, I think we should also omit the almost entirely unused SI units (hecto-,mega-,etc.)) [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 21:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

			Any updates? I'd like to keep tonal off the units page, as discussion/consensus here seems to imply, but I'm getting some pushback by [[User:Midnightmagic]] and [[User:Luke-jr]]. Thoughts? Thanks, [[User:Bitcoinomy\|Bitcoinomy]] ([[User talk:Bitcoinomy\|talk]]) 16:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Taras: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */

2015-03-05T21:33:29Z

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	: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

	I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)		::I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

			:::I agree. I have looked into other systems (including Tonal) long before I had even heard of Bitcoin, and think that they're nice, but in the end, they simply don't belong here. Tonal Bitcoin is an idea that deserves its own page, but should be confined therein. Tonal will (unfortunately) probably never reach the stage of adoption that makes it notable enough to be listed here, with units that are actually used. (That said, I think we should also omit the almost entirely unused SI units (hecto-,mega-,etc.)) [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 21:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Chinawat: /* Remove Tonal Bitcoins */

2015-03-05T17:37:02Z

Remove Tonal Bitcoins

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	: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

			I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Midnightmagic at 22:57, 1 March 2015

2015-03-01T22:57:13Z

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			: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

ThePiachu at 01:52, 1 March 2015

2015-03-01T01:52:38Z

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	Hm, there's only 3 more commonly used units (BTC, mBTC/bits, and satoshis) - maybe it would be better to just have a dedicated text about those three above the table? Another possibility is some icon by them in the table. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 06:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		Hm, there's only 3 more commonly used units (BTC, mBTC/bits, and satoshis) - maybe it would be better to just have a dedicated text about those three above the table? Another possibility is some icon by them in the table. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 06:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

			== Remove Tonal Bitcoins ==

			I think any mentions of Tonal Bitcoins should be removed from this page as this wiki is for Bitcoin, not altcoins. The creator of Tonal Bitcoins calls it "First (and best) altcoin ever: Tonal Bitcoin (TBC)" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218388.0 , and seeing as alts were removed from such pages as [[List of address prefixes]] (by Luke - https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=List_of_address_prefixes&diff=48686&oldid=24158 ), these units that even fewer people care about should also be removed.

			[[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 01:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Luke-jr: /* Split that page into Standard (or "Commonly Accepted") and Tonal sections */

2015-02-28T06:55:48Z

Split that page into Standard (or "Commonly Accepted") and Tonal sections

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	I think this table would be much less confusing if we split the tonal units to a separate table. Very few people use the tonal system, so it makes sense to differentiate it from the commonly accepted units. [[User:Aceat64\|Aceat64]] ([[User talk:Aceat64\|talk]]) 22:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)		I think this table would be much less confusing if we split the tonal units to a separate table. Very few people use the tonal system, so it makes sense to differentiate it from the commonly accepted units. [[User:Aceat64\|Aceat64]] ([[User talk:Aceat64\|talk]]) 22:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

			Hm, there's only 3 more commonly used units (BTC, mBTC/bits, and satoshis) - maybe it would be better to just have a dedicated text about those three above the table? Another possibility is some icon by them in the table. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 06:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Aceat64: /* Split that page into Standard (or "Commonly Accepted") and Tonal sections */ new section

2015-02-27T22:39:16Z

Split that page into Standard (or "Commonly Accepted") and Tonal sections: new section

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	** "micro-" is a well-defined SI prefix. If you want to give it a custom name, I suggest you may be more successful with something unique. Removing the "bit" from "bitcoin" doesn't psychologically remove "micro-" anyway. Wikipedia is a medium of propaganda, not a relevant source. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 11:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)		** "micro-" is a well-defined SI prefix. If you want to give it a custom name, I suggest you may be more successful with something unique. Removing the "bit" from "bitcoin" doesn't psychologically remove "micro-" anyway. Wikipedia is a medium of propaganda, not a relevant source. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 11:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
	*** Thank you @Luke-jr		*** Thank you @Luke-jr

			== Split that page into Standard (or "Commonly Accepted") and Tonal sections ==

			I think this table would be much less confusing if we split the tonal units to a separate table. Very few people use the tonal system, so it makes sense to differentiate it from the commonly accepted units. [[User:Aceat64\|Aceat64]] ([[User talk:Aceat64\|talk]]) 22:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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	: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

	I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)		::I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

			:::I agree. I have looked into other systems (including Tonal) long before I had even heard of Bitcoin, and think that they're nice, but in the end, they simply don't belong here. Tonal Bitcoin is an idea that deserves its own page, but should be confined therein. Tonal will (unfortunately) probably never reach the stage of adoption that makes it notable enough to be listed here, with units that are actually used. (That said, I think we should also omit the almost entirely unused SI units (hecto-,mega-,etc.)) [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 21:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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	: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		: NAK. There is significant code that exists for Tonal Bitcoin, it has a strong educational and adoption-assist component, and it is actively maintained and used by Luke and the most significant centrally-managed Bitcoin pool. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 22:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

			I fully support the removal of Tonal Bitcoin information from this page. When present, the irrelevant and extremely esoteric Tonal content commingles with pertinent Bitcoin information resulting in unnecessary confusion. I strongly dispute [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]]'s contention that including this distracting information assists in user adoption. [[User:Chinawat\|Chinawat]] ([[User talk:Chinawat\|talk]]) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)