Talk:Tonal Bitcoin - Revision history

Bitcoinomy: adding unsigned tag and a few deleted comments.

2015-03-05T16:23:43Z

adding unsigned tag and a few deleted comments.

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	This is for discussion, '''not trolling'''. Note that this is not an encyclopedia, and does not have any "notability" requirements. If you don't want to use Tonal, don't. Trolling is not acceptable and will be deleted. Reasoned criticism is welcome in the "Criticism" section of the page.		This is for discussion, '''not trolling'''. Note that this is not an encyclopedia, and does not have any "notability" requirements. If you don't want to use Tonal, don't. Trolling is not acceptable and will be deleted. Reasoned criticism is welcome in the "Criticism" section of the page. {{Unsigned\|Luke-jr\|03:50, 28 August 2012}}


	I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]		I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]

			==Proposal for deletion==

			This page should be deleted until there is a working, supported, maintained Tonal Bitcoin client. Vaporware doesn't belong on this wiki, you'll get articles on CosbyCoin and UnicornCoin...
			[[User:Gavinandresen\|Gavin Andresen]] ([[User talk:Gavinandresen\|talk]]) 23:28, 25 May 2013 (GMT)
			:Oh, a new player entered the arena in Luke's religious war :) The heavyweigh champion Gavin Andresen! I'm impressed! --[[User:Giszmo\|Giszmo]] ([[User talk:Giszmo\|talk]]) 01:48, 26 May 2013 (GMT)

	==Proposal for deletion==		==Proposal for deletion==

Dooglus: Good luck getting rid of the silly Tonal stuff. I've tried and it just gets added straight back in.

2015-03-01T08:08:33Z

Good luck getting rid of the silly Tonal stuff. I've tried and it just gets added straight back in.

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	::A fair point. That being said, due to the nonexistent userbase of the Tonal Bitcoins, I would keep them away from non-relevant pages of the wiki, such as the mentioned [[Units]]. [[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 07:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		::A fair point. That being said, due to the nonexistent userbase of the Tonal Bitcoins, I would keep them away from non-relevant pages of the wiki, such as the mentioned [[Units]]. [[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 07:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

	:::I use base 27 for all my bitcoin balances and have made up names for all the numbers and powers of 27. They're named after my cats. Can I add them to the [[Units]] page? [[User:Dooglus\|Dooglus]] ([[User talk:Dooglus\|talk]]) 08:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		:::I use base 27 for all my bitcoin balances and have made up names for all the numbers and powers of 27. They're named after my cats. Can I add them to the [[Units]] page? [[User:Dooglus\|Dooglus]] ([[User talk:Dooglus\|talk]]) 08:08, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Dooglus: Good luck getting rid of the silly Tonal stuff. I've tried and it just gets added straight back in.

2015-03-01T08:01:33Z

Good luck getting rid of the silly Tonal stuff. I've tried and it just gets added straight back in.

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	::A fair point. That being said, due to the nonexistent userbase of the Tonal Bitcoins, I would keep them away from non-relevant pages of the wiki, such as the mentioned [[Units]]. [[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 07:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		::A fair point. That being said, due to the nonexistent userbase of the Tonal Bitcoins, I would keep them away from non-relevant pages of the wiki, such as the mentioned [[Units]]. [[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 07:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

			:::I use base 27 for all my bitcoin balances and have made up names for all the numbers and powers of 27. They're named after my cats. Can I add them to the [[Units]] page? [[User:Dooglus\|Dooglus]] ([[User talk:Dooglus\|talk]]) 08:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

ThePiachu at 07:31, 1 March 2015

2015-03-01T07:31:40Z

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	:This just seems petty and vindictive to me, and also needlessly drama inducing. This wiki exists to cover Bitcoin things, it's fine if it covers niche and obscure aspects of the Bitcoin ecosystem. That this wiki isn't free hosting and advertisement for your choice of competing currencies is no reason to justify deleting things on the wiki. --[[User:Gmaxwell\|Gmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Gmaxwell\|talk]]) 06:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		:This just seems petty and vindictive to me, and also needlessly drama inducing. This wiki exists to cover Bitcoin things, it's fine if it covers niche and obscure aspects of the Bitcoin ecosystem. That this wiki isn't free hosting and advertisement for your choice of competing currencies is no reason to justify deleting things on the wiki. --[[User:Gmaxwell\|Gmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Gmaxwell\|talk]]) 06:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

			::A fair point. That being said, due to the nonexistent userbase of the Tonal Bitcoins, I would keep them away from non-relevant pages of the wiki, such as the mentioned [[Units]]. [[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 07:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Gmaxwell: re

2015-03-01T06:26:06Z

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	[[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 01:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		[[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 01:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

			:This just seems petty and vindictive to me, and also needlessly drama inducing. This wiki exists to cover Bitcoin things, it's fine if it covers niche and obscure aspects of the Bitcoin ecosystem. That this wiki isn't free hosting and advertisement for your choice of competing currencies is no reason to justify deleting things on the wiki. --[[User:Gmaxwell\|Gmaxwell]] ([[User talk:Gmaxwell\|talk]]) 06:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

ThePiachu: /* Proposal for deletion */

2015-03-01T01:49:03Z

Proposal for deletion

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	:: I agree that this should not be deleted. This is not Wikipedia, we don't have a notability policy, and explicitly allow technical or niche material relating to bitcoin. [[User:Nanotube\|Nanotube]] ([[User talk:Nanotube\|talk]]) 16:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)		:: I agree that this should not be deleted. This is not Wikipedia, we don't have a notability policy, and explicitly allow technical or niche material relating to bitcoin. [[User:Nanotube\|Nanotube]] ([[User talk:Nanotube\|talk]]) 16:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

			I think this article should be deleted as this wiki is for Bitcoin, not altcoins. The creator of Tonal Bitcoins calls it "First (and best) altcoin ever: Tonal Bitcoin (TBC)" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218388.0 , and seeing as this wiki has no article on [[Litecoin]] or [[Dogecoin]], this website should go as well. Nobody cares about this, and it's just useless clutter on pages like this or [[Units]].

			[[User:ThePiachu\|ThePiachu]] ([[User talk:ThePiachu\|talk]]) 01:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Nanotube: /* Proposal for deletion */

2014-08-24T16:31:57Z

Proposal for deletion

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	[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)		[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

	* '''1)''' Exactly why it is on-topic to the wiki, and should ''not'' be deleted; '''2)''' This wiki is just as relevant to the web as any random altcoin website, and this wiki explicitly permits and encourages original content and original research, unlike Wikipedia which is merely an encyclopedia; '''3)''' I know multiple people who use TBC (though I won't do so publicly so they can be trolled) - and in any case, significance and/or notability is not a concern of this wiki (see [[:Bitcoin:About\|the wiki about/policy page]]); '''4)''' Again, irrelevant. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)		: '''1)''' Exactly why it is on-topic to the wiki, and should ''not'' be deleted; '''2)''' This wiki is just as relevant to the web as any random altcoin website, and this wiki explicitly permits and encourages original content and original research, unlike Wikipedia which is merely an encyclopedia; '''3)''' I know multiple people who use TBC (though I won't do so publicly so they can be trolled) - and in any case, significance and/or notability is not a concern of this wiki (see [[:Bitcoin:About\|the wiki about/policy page]]); '''4)''' Again, irrelevant. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

			:: I agree that this should not be deleted. This is not Wikipedia, we don't have a notability policy, and explicitly allow technical or niche material relating to bitcoin. [[User:Nanotube\|Nanotube]] ([[User talk:Nanotube\|talk]]) 16:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Luke-jr: /* Proposal for deletion */

2014-08-24T16:10:29Z

Proposal for deletion

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	[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)		[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

			* '''1)''' Exactly why it is on-topic to the wiki, and should ''not'' be deleted; '''2)''' This wiki is just as relevant to the web as any random altcoin website, and this wiki explicitly permits and encourages original content and original research, unlike Wikipedia which is merely an encyclopedia; '''3)''' I know multiple people who use TBC (though I won't do so publicly so they can be trolled) - and in any case, significance and/or notability is not a concern of this wiki (see [[:Bitcoin:About\|the wiki about/policy page]]); '''4)''' Again, irrelevant. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Luke-jr: "Line drawer" says this troll is reasoned enough to keep here

2014-08-24T16:04:56Z

"Line drawer" says this troll is reasoned enough to keep here

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	I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]		I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]


			==Proposal for deletion==

			I propose to delete this article on the following grounds.

			# "Tonal bitcoin" ''is'' Bitcoin. Tonal Bitcoin only refers to the choice of the bitcoin user to employ a different representation of standard bitcoin balances. Instead of using decimal, the originator proposes using tonal units. If we follow this approach to the extreme, we could also use any base X system. It comes down to this: If you have a bitcoin balance of X in decimal notation, you can convert this to a balance Y in tonal units.
			# There is almost no information about tonal bitcoin available on the web attesting to its insignificance. All information that is available seems to come from a single source. To make matters worse, the information that is available is extremely confusing and poorly written.
			# No one, with the possible exception of one person, use "tonal bitcoin" units.
			# Not one exchange or business uses Tonal bitcoin units (to my knowledge).

			[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Luke-jr: Reverted edits by Lunokhod (talk) to last revision by Luke-jr

2014-08-21T16:32:10Z

Reverted edits by Lunokhod (talk) to last revision by Luke-jr

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	I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]		I have no legitimate stake in the matter, I made a few edits that I hope remove POV and still embrace the idea of Tonal Bitcoin. This is Raize, I am sorry I am not familiar enough with wiki editing to provide my signature. --[[User:Raize\|Raize]]


	~~==Proposal for deletion==~~

	~~I propose to delete this article on the following grounds.~~

	# "Tonal bitcoin" ''is'' Bitcoin. Tonal Bitcoin only refers to the choice of the bitcoin user to employ a different representation of standard bitcoin balances. Instead of using decimal, the originator proposes using tonal units. If we follow this approach to the extreme, we could also use any base X system. It comes down to this: If you have a bitcoin balance of X in decimal notation, you can convert this to a balance Y in tonal units.
	# There is almost no information about tonal bitcoin available on the web attesting to its insignificance. All information that is available seems to come from a single source. To make matters worse, the information that is available is extremely confusing and poorly written.
	~~# No one, with the possible exception of one person, use "tonal bitcoin" units.~~
	~~# Not one exchange or business uses Tonal bitcoin units (to my knowledge).~~

	~~[[User:Lunokhod\|Lunokhod]] ([[User talk:Lunokhod\|talk]]) 14:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)~~

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	* '''1)''' Exactly why it is on-topic to the wiki, and should ''not'' be deleted; '''2)''' This wiki is just as relevant to the web as any random altcoin website, and this wiki explicitly permits and encourages original content and original research, unlike Wikipedia which is merely an encyclopedia; '''3)''' I know multiple people who use TBC (though I won't do so publicly so they can be trolled) - and in any case, significance and/or notability is not a concern of this wiki (see [[:Bitcoin:About\|the wiki about/policy page]]); '''4)''' Again, irrelevant. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)		: '''1)''' Exactly why it is on-topic to the wiki, and should ''not'' be deleted; '''2)''' This wiki is just as relevant to the web as any random altcoin website, and this wiki explicitly permits and encourages original content and original research, unlike Wikipedia which is merely an encyclopedia; '''3)''' I know multiple people who use TBC (though I won't do so publicly so they can be trolled) - and in any case, significance and/or notability is not a concern of this wiki (see [[:Bitcoin:About\|the wiki about/policy page]]); '''4)''' Again, irrelevant. --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

			:: I agree that this should not be deleted. This is not Wikipedia, we don't have a notability policy, and explicitly allow technical or niche material relating to bitcoin. [[User:Nanotube\|Nanotube]] ([[User talk:Nanotube\|talk]]) 16:31, 24 August 2014 (UTC)