Talk:Paper Wallet (Single Key) - Revision history

Belcher: Added reddit thread with lively discussion

2020-05-06T22:48:29Z

Added reddit thread with lively discussion

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	I think the bitcoin community has reached the point of fully rejecting paper wallets by now. cantonbecker who made bitcoinpaperwallet.com has sold it and become a big blocker, pointbiz seems to have become more interested in altcoins. I just wanted to save a link to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2xcef5/lukejr_decides_to_rename_paper_wallet_to_paper/ this thread] where luke-jr had similar ideas nearly 4 years ago, but a fuss was kicked up on reddit. [[User:Belcher\|Belcher]] ([[User talk:Belcher\|talk]]) 12:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)		I think the bitcoin community has reached the point of fully rejecting paper wallets by now. cantonbecker who made bitcoinpaperwallet.com has sold it and become a big blocker, pointbiz seems to have become more interested in altcoins. I just wanted to save a link to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2xcef5/lukejr_decides_to_rename_paper_wallet_to_paper/ this thread] where luke-jr had similar ideas nearly 4 years ago, but a fuss was kicked up on reddit. [[User:Belcher\|Belcher]] ([[User talk:Belcher\|talk]]) 12:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
			::Soon after this page was rewritten, I posted it to reddit's bitcoin community. The resulting discussion was lively and interesting, here is a link: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/a7nbfm/singleaddress_websitegenerated_paper_wallets_are/ [[User:Belcher\|Belcher]] ([[User talk:Belcher\|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

	== Running paper wallets off of live websites ==		== Running paper wallets off of live websites ==

Belcher: added discussion topic for my recent rewrite

2018-10-26T12:33:16Z

added discussion topic for my recent rewrite

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			== Rewritten page to have a detailed discussion of the flaws of paper wallets and remove any pro-paper-wallet sentiment ==

			I think the bitcoin community has reached the point of fully rejecting paper wallets by now. cantonbecker who made bitcoinpaperwallet.com has sold it and become a big blocker, pointbiz seems to have become more interested in altcoins. I just wanted to save a link to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2xcef5/lukejr_decides_to_rename_paper_wallet_to_paper/ this thread] where luke-jr had similar ideas nearly 4 years ago, but a fuss was kicked up on reddit. [[User:Belcher\|Belcher]] ([[User talk:Belcher\|talk]]) 12:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

	== Running paper wallets off of live websites ==		== Running paper wallets off of live websites ==

Midnightmagic: /* Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"? */

2015-03-01T23:52:47Z

Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"?

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	::Luke-Jr reverted Gladoscc's reversion. I Re-reverted Luke-Jr's moves. Still no consensus for such a change. Renamed the page to Paper Wallet (Single Key) so that the terminology is more technically correct while not obfuscating it so much that someone (for example) reading the "Mastering Bitcoin" book will still be able to figure out what the section called "Paper Wallets" in Chapter 4 is about. Or so that someone who is using blockchain.info, or Mycelium, etc. will be able to research what "Import Paper Wallet" is talking about. I added a link to HD backups as an alternative.		::Luke-Jr reverted Gladoscc's reversion. I Re-reverted Luke-Jr's moves. Still no consensus for such a change. Renamed the page to Paper Wallet (Single Key) so that the terminology is more technically correct while not obfuscating it so much that someone (for example) reading the "Mastering Bitcoin" book will still be able to figure out what the section called "Paper Wallets" in Chapter 4 is about. Or so that someone who is using blockchain.info, or Mycelium, etc. will be able to research what "Import Paper Wallet" is talking about. I added a link to HD backups as an alternative.
	::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::NAK. Your commercial interest in these edits ~~corcumscribe~~ a significant conflict of interest and thus you should not be an active participant in how consensus on this wiki is formed. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 23:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)		:::NAK. Your commercial interest in these edits circumscribe a significant conflict of interest and thus you should not be an active participant in how consensus on this wiki is formed. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 23:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

	== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==		== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==

Midnightmagic: /* Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"? */

2015-03-01T23:52:30Z

Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"?

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	::Luke-Jr reverted Gladoscc's reversion. I Re-reverted Luke-Jr's moves. Still no consensus for such a change. Renamed the page to Paper Wallet (Single Key) so that the terminology is more technically correct while not obfuscating it so much that someone (for example) reading the "Mastering Bitcoin" book will still be able to figure out what the section called "Paper Wallets" in Chapter 4 is about. Or so that someone who is using blockchain.info, or Mycelium, etc. will be able to research what "Import Paper Wallet" is talking about. I added a link to HD backups as an alternative.		::Luke-Jr reverted Gladoscc's reversion. I Re-reverted Luke-Jr's moves. Still no consensus for such a change. Renamed the page to Paper Wallet (Single Key) so that the terminology is more technically correct while not obfuscating it so much that someone (for example) reading the "Mastering Bitcoin" book will still be able to figure out what the section called "Paper Wallets" in Chapter 4 is about. Or so that someone who is using blockchain.info, or Mycelium, etc. will be able to research what "Import Paper Wallet" is talking about. I added a link to HD backups as an alternative.
	::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
			:::NAK. Your commercial interest in these edits corcumscribe a significant conflict of interest and thus you should not be an active participant in how consensus on this wiki is formed. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 23:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

	== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==		== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==

Canton: /* Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"? */

2015-02-28T17:34:56Z

Why rename Paper Wallets to "Paper ECDSA private keys"?

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	::Reverted Luke-Jr's moves. No consensus for such a change. [[User:Gladoscc\|Gladoscc]] ([[User talk:Gladoscc\|talk]]) 12:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)		::Reverted Luke-Jr's moves. No consensus for such a change. [[User:Gladoscc\|Gladoscc]] ([[User talk:Gladoscc\|talk]]) 12:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::The correct move was to 1) Make 'Paper Wallets' a redirect to the more-specific and more-accurate term, and 2) not spam a six-section talk page with all mostly-related topics that share a common answer, 3) build consensus for an undo rather than unilaterally undoing one of the most prolific editors this Wiki has without it. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		:::The correct move was to 1) Make 'Paper Wallets' a redirect to the more-specific and more-accurate term, and 2) not spam a six-section talk page with all mostly-related topics that share a common answer, 3) build consensus for an undo rather than unilaterally undoing one of the most prolific editors this Wiki has without it. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
			::Luke-Jr reverted Gladoscc's reversion. I Re-reverted Luke-Jr's moves. Still no consensus for such a change. Renamed the page to Paper Wallet (Single Key) so that the terminology is more technically correct while not obfuscating it so much that someone (for example) reading the "Mastering Bitcoin" book will still be able to figure out what the section called "Paper Wallets" in Chapter 4 is about. Or so that someone who is using blockchain.info, or Mycelium, etc. will be able to research what "Import Paper Wallet" is talking about. I added a link to HD backups as an alternative.
			::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==		== Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? ==

Canton: /* Paper wallets a bad idea - why? */

2015-02-28T17:31:17Z

Paper wallets a bad idea - why?

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	:::I support merging and having a pro/con section as well. I think this page should be renamed back to "Paper Wallet". It's fine to have a section on other forms of paper backups (e.g. HD mnemonic paper backups) but I don't like at all how HD mnemonic paper backups are now the default destination for "Paper Wallet" since this will certainly confuse anyone who has read about paper wallets in books, articles, forums, etc.		:::I support merging and having a pro/con section as well. I think this page should be renamed back to "Paper Wallet". It's fine to have a section on other forms of paper backups (e.g. HD mnemonic paper backups) but I don't like at all how HD mnemonic paper backups are now the default destination for "Paper Wallet" since this will certainly confuse anyone who has read about paper wallets in books, articles, forums, etc.
	:::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 22:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)~~Canton~~		:::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 22:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
	:::: If your main problem is that people won't be able to find it as ECDSA Paper Backup then the more correct terminology should win and the less-correct terminology should have been made into a redirect. Also, people, for the love of Christ, sign your comments. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		:::: If your main problem is that people won't be able to find it as ECDSA Paper Backup then the more correct terminology should win and the less-correct terminology should have been made into a redirect. Also, people, for the love of Christ, sign your comments. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

	::I've replaced the "Paper wallets are generally considered a bad idea" with an actual explanation: "Storing bitcoins on paper wallets is not safe unless very strict security precautions are undertaken during their initial preparation. (See below.) Furthermore, paper wallets should not be reused for repeated deposits (as it reduces privacy) or for multiple withdrawals (as this may reduce the underlying cryptographic security at some point in the future.) Ideally, they should be used as "deposit once, sweep once" tools."		::I've replaced the "Paper wallets are generally considered a bad idea" with an actual explanation: "Storing bitcoins on paper wallets is not safe unless very strict security precautions are undertaken during their initial preparation. (See below.) Furthermore, paper wallets should not be reused for repeated deposits (as it reduces privacy) or for multiple withdrawals (as this may reduce the underlying cryptographic security at some point in the future.) Ideally, they should be used as "deposit once, sweep once" tools."
	::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)~~Canton~~		::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

	== Paper wallets vs cold storage ==		== Paper wallets vs cold storage ==

Canton: /* Paper wallets a bad idea - why? */

2015-02-28T17:30:54Z

Paper wallets a bad idea - why?

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	:::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 22:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)Canton		:::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 22:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)Canton
	:::: If your main problem is that people won't be able to find it as ECDSA Paper Backup then the more correct terminology should win and the less-correct terminology should have been made into a redirect. Also, people, for the love of Christ, sign your comments. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		:::: If your main problem is that people won't be able to find it as ECDSA Paper Backup then the more correct terminology should win and the less-correct terminology should have been made into a redirect. Also, people, for the love of Christ, sign your comments. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

			::I've replaced the "Paper wallets are generally considered a bad idea" with an actual explanation: "Storing bitcoins on paper wallets is not safe unless very strict security precautions are undertaken during their initial preparation. (See below.) Furthermore, paper wallets should not be reused for repeated deposits (as it reduces privacy) or for multiple withdrawals (as this may reduce the underlying cryptographic security at some point in the future.) Ideally, they should be used as "deposit once, sweep once" tools."
			::[[User:Canton\|Canton]] ([[User talk:Canton\|talk]]) 17:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)Canton

	== Paper wallets vs cold storage ==		== Paper wallets vs cold storage ==

Canton: Canton moved page Talk:Paper ECDSA private key to Talk:Paper Wallet (Single Key): Renamed to what consensus agrees is a paper wallet, e.g. in chapter 4 of "Mastering Bitcoin" published by O'Reilly

2015-02-28T17:07:39Z

Canton moved page Talk:Paper ECDSA private key to Talk:Paper Wallet (Single Key): Renamed to what consensus agrees is a paper wallet, e.g. in chapter 4 of "Mastering Bitcoin" published by O'Reilly

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Luke-jr: Luke-jr moved page Talk:Paper wallet to Talk:Paper ECDSA private key: Correct terminology

2015-02-28T07:22:02Z

Luke-jr moved page Talk:Paper wallet to Talk:Paper ECDSA private key: Correct terminology

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Midnightmagic: /* Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page? */

2015-02-28T07:10:18Z

Is there a good reason to omit bitcoinpaperwallet.com from this page?

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	:It makes sense to remove bitaddress from pages discussing wallets because is not within the scope of the article, just as BitcoinPaperWallet isn't within the scope of this article because this is an article about generating paper wallets.		:It makes sense to remove bitaddress from pages discussing wallets because is not within the scope of the article, just as BitcoinPaperWallet isn't within the scope of this article because this is an article about generating paper wallets.
	--[[User:Lapp0\|Lapp0]] ([[User talk:Lapp0\|talk]])		--[[User:Lapp0\|Lapp0]] ([[User talk:Lapp0\|talk]])
	:: It is correct to remove nearly all (and certainly all new) web-based address-creation websites from this wiki. The fact that it hasn't been done yet does not prove that they are appropriate to remain here; instead, it merely describes the simple state of editors that no one editor has the full-time ~~and inclination~~ to keep the entire Wiki internally self-consistent. I'm pretty sure that ripping out all commercial content now that Bitcoin no longer needs the PR assistance to propagate knowledge of Bitcoin to the world, might be the best course of action based on the sheer, titanic number of scammers who have listed their sites in this wiki. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)		:: It is correct to remove nearly all (and certainly all new) web-based address-creation websites from this wiki. The fact that it hasn't been done yet does not prove that they are appropriate to remain here; instead, it merely describes the simple state of editors that no one editor has the full-time necessary to keep the entire Wiki internally self-consistent. I'm pretty sure that ripping out all commercial content now that Bitcoin no longer needs the PR assistance to propagate knowledge of Bitcoin to the world, might be the best course of action based on the sheer, titanic number of scammers who have listed their sites in this wiki. (Edit to change 'inclination' to 'full-time necessary' since most admins I'm aware of agree that web-based wallets in general are a bad idea.) [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 07:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)