Talk:ICBIT - Revision history

Nanotube: Removed protection from "Talk:ICBIT"

2014-04-05T23:47:50Z

Removed protection from "Talk:ICBIT"

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Nanotube: Protected "Talk:ICBIT": Counter-productive edit warring: hey while the icbit page is protected, so will the talk page be. ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))

2013-10-02T03:20:14Z

Protected "Talk:ICBIT": Counter-productive edit warring: hey while the icbit page is protected, so will the talk page be. ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (indefinite) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))

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Eldentyrell: /* Whether ICBIT is an Exchange providing full Central Counterparty backing */

2013-09-30T22:58:29Z

Whether ICBIT is an Exchange providing full Central Counterparty backing

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	This seems to be at a stalemate. I've put what I believe to be a fair compromise (not knowing the situation) locked for 2 weeks (thanks nanotube!) to let things cool down and hopefully you guys can come to some kind of agreement. Might I suggest scheduling a day/time to discuss the matter [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-wiki on IRC]? (feel free to ping me by saying "luke-jr" if you need/want my attention) --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 17:49, 30 September 2013 (GMT)		This seems to be at a stalemate. I've put what I believe to be a fair compromise (not knowing the situation) locked for 2 weeks (thanks nanotube!) to let things cool down and hopefully you guys can come to some kind of agreement. Might I suggest scheduling a day/time to discuss the matter [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-wiki on IRC]? (feel free to ping me by saying "luke-jr" if you need/want my attention) --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 17:49, 30 September 2013 (GMT)

			I don't really IRC, but an email discussion would be great. I've sent an email to nanotube/luke-jr so they know how to reach me. I tried emailing the wiki admins six weeks ago to request intervention and nothing happened, which is why I had to resort to extreme measures. I'm very happy with Luke-jr's resolution of the page, except for the use of the word "exchange" in the first paragraph (where it is technically correct but very misleading since ICBIT's business is mainly futures) and the second paragraph (where it is definitely incorrect).
			[[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 22:58, 30 September 2013 (GMT)

	== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ==		== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ==

Luke-jr: /* Whether ICBIT is an Exchange providing full Central Counterparty backing */

2013-09-30T17:49:42Z

Whether ICBIT is an Exchange providing full Central Counterparty backing

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			This seems to be at a stalemate. I've put what I believe to be a fair compromise (not knowing the situation) locked for 2 weeks (thanks nanotube!) to let things cool down and hopefully you guys can come to some kind of agreement. Might I suggest scheduling a day/time to discuss the matter [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-wiki on IRC]? (feel free to ping me by saying "luke-jr" if you need/want my attention) --[[User:Luke-jr\|Luke-jr]] ([[User talk:Luke-jr\|talk]]) 17:49, 30 September 2013 (GMT)

	== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ==		== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ==

FleaSpirit: /* The only solution */

2013-09-29T19:25:50Z

The only solution

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	== The only solution ==		== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ==

			If you are comfortable with the practices you engage in on your website, why don't you address some of the accusations that have been made against you and your site?

			1) Prices are blatantly manipulated through last clearing. The site encourages this, apparently because one or more site owners profit from it. A person expects prices to derive from movements in bitcoin, not overt manipulations. I have provided screenshots on the linked post below.

			2) People running the site use their access to client financial information to conduct trades running positions against those clients.

			For other observations refer to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246845 which you have so far refused to even respond to.

			If you want to defend your practices either here or on the forum Fireball, please do so.

			No serious trader will stay on your site when they see the kinds of things you do. You are not running an honest financial exchange, you are running a scam built on keeping your clients in the dark about how you operate.

			I have made and lost a lot of money on financial exchanges in the last 30+ years and I have never in my life made any sort of complaint against any exchange until yours.



			[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit

			=== The only solution ===

	Fireball, any time you want to end this nonsense, all you have to do is man up and admit you have made serious mistakes in running your site and those mistakes need to be fixed.		Fireball, any time you want to end this nonsense, all you have to do is man up and admit you have made serious mistakes in running your site and those mistakes need to be fixed.

FleaSpirit: /* Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. */

2013-09-29T19:25:04Z

Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail.

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	Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then <span style="background:#FF0000;color:white">'''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''</span>. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)		Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then <span style="background:#FF0000;color:white">'''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''</span>. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)



	~~=== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ===~~

	~~If you are comfortable with the practices you engage in on your website, why don't you address some of the accusations that have been made against you and your site?~~

	1) Prices are blatantly manipulated through last clearing. The site encourages this, apparently because one or more site owners profit from it. A person expects prices to derive from movements in bitcoin, not overt manipulations. I have provided screenshots on the linked post below.

	~~2) People running the site use their access to client financial information to conduct trades running positions against those clients.~~

	~~For other observations refer to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246845 which you have so far refused to even respond to.~~

	~~If you want to defend your practices either here or on the forum Fireball, please do so.~~

	No serious trader will stay on your site when they see the kinds of things you do. You are not running an honest financial exchange, you are running a scam built on keeping your clients in the dark about how you operate.

	~~I have made and lost a lot of money on financial exchanges in the last 30+ years and I have never in my life made any sort of complaint against any exchange until yours.~~



	~~[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit~~

FleaSpirit: /* The only solution */

2013-09-29T19:24:40Z

The only solution

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	Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then <span style="background:#FF0000;color:white">'''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''</span>. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)		Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then <span style="background:#FF0000;color:white">'''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''</span>. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)



			=== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ===

			If you are comfortable with the practices you engage in on your website, why don't you address some of the accusations that have been made against you and your site?

			1) Prices are blatantly manipulated through last clearing. The site encourages this, apparently because one or more site owners profit from it. A person expects prices to derive from movements in bitcoin, not overt manipulations. I have provided screenshots on the linked post below.

			2) People running the site use their access to client financial information to conduct trades running positions against those clients.

			For other observations refer to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246845 which you have so far refused to even respond to.

			If you want to defend your practices either here or on the forum Fireball, please do so.

			No serious trader will stay on your site when they see the kinds of things you do. You are not running an honest financial exchange, you are running a scam built on keeping your clients in the dark about how you operate.

			I have made and lost a lot of money on financial exchanges in the last 30+ years and I have never in my life made any sort of complaint against any exchange until yours.



			[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit

FleaSpirit: /* Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. */

2013-09-29T19:23:55Z

Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail.

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	~~=== Fireball, wanting money back that was taken through dishonest practices is not blackmail. ===~~

	~~If you are comfortable with the practices you engage in on your website, why don't you address some of the accusations that have been made against you and your site?~~

	1) Prices are blatantly manipulated through last clearing. The site encourages this, apparently because one or more site owners profit from it. A person expects prices to derive from movements in bitcoin, not overt manipulations. I have provided screenshots on the linked post below.

	~~2) People running the site use their access to client financial information to conduct trades running positions against those clients.~~

	~~For other observations refer to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246845 which you have so far refused to even respond to.~~

	~~If you want to defend your practices either here or on the forum Fireball, please do so.~~

	No serious trader will stay on your site when they see the kinds of things you do. You are not running an honest financial exchange, you are running a scam built on keeping your clients in the dark about how you operate.

	~~I have made and lost a lot of money on financial exchanges in the last 30+ years and I have never in my life made any sort of complaint against any exchange until yours.~~



	~~[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit~~

	== The only solution ==		== The only solution ==

FleaSpirit: /* The only solution */ new section

2013-09-29T19:22:43Z

The only solution: new section

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	[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit		[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 16:41, 26 August 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit

			== The only solution ==

			Fireball, any time you want to end this nonsense, all you have to do is man up and admit you have made serious mistakes in running your site and those mistakes need to be fixed.

			Make things right then build a proper futures site or shut down.

			Your choice.

			[[User:FleaSpirit\|FleaSpirit]] ([[User talk:FleaSpirit\|talk]]) 19:22, 29 September 2013 (GMT)FleaSpirit

Eldentyrell: emphasis

2013-09-28T23:57:11Z

emphasis

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	Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then '''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)		Fireball, [https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ICBIT#cite_note-0 what you call an "unbiased correct third-party explanation"] actually agrees with me, writing "ICBIT it is not acting as a clearing house, nor is it the counterparty to the futures trades it brokers. There is no clearing house guarantee, and counterparty risk remains largely unknown.". So what are you talking about? Apparently you emailed whoever writes that blog with a rebuttal; the blogger posted your rebuttal and then <span style="background:#FF0000;color:white">'''you quoted the blogger quoting your rebuttal'''</span>. What planet are you from where quoting yourself is considered a third-party explanation? [[User:Eldentyrell\|Eldentyrell]] ([[User talk:Eldentyrell\|talk]]) 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)