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Midnightmagic: /* Removing This Stupid Graph */

2015-08-30T11:21:28Z

Removing This Stupid Graph

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	Separately, the lack of a comparison line that describes the compression of the release schedule due to hashrate growth so far is not sufficient reason to get rid of this graph. When educating the public, sometimes details can be ignored for the purposes of explanation. Demanding that the line be a couple pixels to the left is definitely one of those details that can be ignored. This is evidence that, in deleting this graph, you are behaving like a pedant. Please stop. [[User:Atheros\|Atheros]] ([[User talk:Atheros\|talk]]) 19:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)		Separately, the lack of a comparison line that describes the compression of the release schedule due to hashrate growth so far is not sufficient reason to get rid of this graph. When educating the public, sometimes details can be ignored for the purposes of explanation. Demanding that the line be a couple pixels to the left is definitely one of those details that can be ignored. This is evidence that, in deleting this graph, you are behaving like a pedant. Please stop. [[User:Atheros\|Atheros]] ([[User talk:Atheros\|talk]]) 19:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

	: No. Wrong. It's more like 95%, but if you want to chop of 1/20th of all bitcoins that will eventually get mined, ~~and~~ you just helped me prove my point.. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 11:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)		: No. Wrong. It's more like 95%, but if you want to chop of 1/20th of all bitcoins that will eventually get mined, you just helped me prove my point.. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 11:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Midnightmagic: /* Removing This Stupid Graph */

2015-08-30T11:21:10Z

Removing This Stupid Graph

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	Separately, the lack of a comparison line that describes the compression of the release schedule due to hashrate growth so far is not sufficient reason to get rid of this graph. When educating the public, sometimes details can be ignored for the purposes of explanation. Demanding that the line be a couple pixels to the left is definitely one of those details that can be ignored. This is evidence that, in deleting this graph, you are behaving like a pedant. Please stop. [[User:Atheros\|Atheros]] ([[User talk:Atheros\|talk]]) 19:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)		Separately, the lack of a comparison line that describes the compression of the release schedule due to hashrate growth so far is not sufficient reason to get rid of this graph. When educating the public, sometimes details can be ignored for the purposes of explanation. Demanding that the line be a couple pixels to the left is definitely one of those details that can be ignored. This is evidence that, in deleting this graph, you are behaving like a pedant. Please stop. [[User:Atheros\|Atheros]] ([[User talk:Atheros\|talk]]) 19:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

			: No. Wrong. It's more like 95%, but if you want to chop of 1/20th of all bitcoins that will eventually get mined, and you just helped me prove my point.. [[User:Midnightmagic\|Midnightmagic]] ([[User talk:Midnightmagic\|talk]]) 11:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

TheRealSteve: /* A new graph based on historical data */

2015-07-20T12:32:51Z

A new graph based on historical data

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	::::The down side to that graph is that it's not very informative except if all you want to show is how many Bitcoins have been mined so far.. which is something that changes rather quickly. That's why I tried to make my graphs include the projections, but with explanations of how these projections work and how they can change over time, with any adjustments only expected every quarter halving period (rather infrequent) [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)		::::The down side to that graph is that it's not very informative except if all you want to show is how many Bitcoins have been mined so far.. which is something that changes rather quickly. That's why I tried to make my graphs include the projections, but with explanations of how these projections work and how they can change over time, with any adjustments only expected every quarter halving period (rather infrequent) [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I'm all for it then, but I have a suggestion; consider putting the subsidy in a second graph on a log scale, so that it's easier to see how it changes over time? It's up to you really, whatever looks nicer. Go ahead and upload it whenever it's done [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 15:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)		:::::I'm all for it then, but I have a suggestion; consider putting the subsidy in a second graph on a log scale, so that it's easier to see how it changes over time? It's up to you really, whatever looks nicer. Go ahead and upload it whenever it's done [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 15:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
			::::::I have added the graphs and I added a block reward plotted against logarithmic scale graph. Going forward, let's move discussion to either the Talk page of Controlled Supply, or to the individual files' Talk page? [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 12:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

Taras at 15:10, 18 July 2015

2015-07-18T15:10:36Z

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	:::Wow, even the [http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf FBI] was [http://i.imgur.com/yjG9EEL.png mislead] by this graph. As for what to replace it with, I was thinking one like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Total-bitcoins.svg the one the Wikipedians are using] right now. It only shows accurate historical data, and for our cases should be quite alright. The main problem with the original was that everyone assumed production stopped in 2033 (see the FBI report). [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 03:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)		:::Wow, even the [http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf FBI] was [http://i.imgur.com/yjG9EEL.png mislead] by this graph. As for what to replace it with, I was thinking one like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Total-bitcoins.svg the one the Wikipedians are using] right now. It only shows accurate historical data, and for our cases should be quite alright. The main problem with the original was that everyone assumed production stopped in 2033 (see the FBI report). [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 03:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
	::::The down side to that graph is that it's not very informative except if all you want to show is how many Bitcoins have been mined so far.. which is something that changes rather quickly. That's why I tried to make my graphs include the projections, but with explanations of how these projections work and how they can change over time, with any adjustments only expected every quarter halving period (rather infrequent) [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)		::::The down side to that graph is that it's not very informative except if all you want to show is how many Bitcoins have been mined so far.. which is something that changes rather quickly. That's why I tried to make my graphs include the projections, but with explanations of how these projections work and how they can change over time, with any adjustments only expected every quarter halving period (rather infrequent) [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
			:::::I'm all for it then, but I have a suggestion; consider putting the subsidy in a second graph on a log scale, so that it's easier to see how it changes over time? It's up to you really, whatever looks nicer. Go ahead and upload it whenever it's done [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 15:10, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

TheRealSteve: /* A new graph based on historical data */

2015-07-17T21:43:03Z

A new graph based on historical data

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	::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)		::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
	:::Wow, even the [http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf FBI] was [http://i.imgur.com/yjG9EEL.png mislead] by this graph. As for what to replace it with, I was thinking one like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Total-bitcoins.svg the one the Wikipedians are using] right now. It only shows accurate historical data, and for our cases should be quite alright. The main problem with the original was that everyone assumed production stopped in 2033 (see the FBI report). [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 03:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)		:::Wow, even the [http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf FBI] was [http://i.imgur.com/yjG9EEL.png mislead] by this graph. As for what to replace it with, I was thinking one like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Total-bitcoins.svg the one the Wikipedians are using] right now. It only shows accurate historical data, and for our cases should be quite alright. The main problem with the original was that everyone assumed production stopped in 2033 (see the FBI report). [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 03:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
			::::The down side to that graph is that it's not very informative except if all you want to show is how many Bitcoins have been mined so far.. which is something that changes rather quickly. That's why I tried to make my graphs include the projections, but with explanations of how these projections work and how they can change over time, with any adjustments only expected every quarter halving period (rather infrequent) [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

Taras at 03:01, 16 July 2015

2015-07-16T03:01:36Z

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	:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/kmyJrys,lFzIt0x sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)		:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/kmyJrys,lFzIt0x sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
	::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)		::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
			:::Wow, even the [http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf FBI] was [http://i.imgur.com/yjG9EEL.png mislead] by this graph. As for what to replace it with, I was thinking one like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Total-bitcoins.svg the one the Wikipedians are using] right now. It only shows accurate historical data, and for our cases should be quite alright. The main problem with the original was that everyone assumed production stopped in 2033 (see the FBI report). [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 03:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

TheRealSteve at 21:38, 12 April 2015

2015-04-12T21:38:00Z

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	Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)		Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
	:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/~~a/iGZzP~~ sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)		:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/kmyJrys,lFzIt0x sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
	::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)		::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

TheRealSteve at 21:36, 12 April 2015

2015-04-12T21:36:54Z

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	Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)		Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
	:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/~~FzHNi5E,y8cgw5K~~ sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)		:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/a/iGZzP sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
			::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

TheRealSteve: /* A new graph based on historical data */

2015-04-05T20:52:40Z

A new graph based on historical data

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	Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)		Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
			:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/FzHNi5E,y8cgw5K sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

Taras at 14:47, 6 March 2015

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			==A new graph based on historical data==

			Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

	==Removing This Stupid Graph==		==Removing This Stupid Graph==

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	Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)		Does anyone think we should include a graph of supply that has been observed since 2009, without a future prediction? [[User:Taras\|Taras]] ([[User talk:Taras\|talk]]) 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
	:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/~~a/iGZzP~~ sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)		:Having recently double-check on the table, then commented on the talk page, of the Controlled Supply page, I did notice a comment about this graph having been deleted. Unfortunately, I can't see what the graph was to consider what was wrong with it. I suppose it mapped the Bitcoin supply over time, rather than over blocks. If that is the case, then I concur with the sibling talk topic, that rather than not having a graph, we could make a ''better'' graph, specifically outlining 1. growth over blocks, 2. time over blocks, and 3. estimates for time based on simple values - i.e. network hash rate is steadily 10% fast, or 10% slow, producing two boundaries at the center of which lies the ideal, and then incorporate the actual historical data + projections based thereon. Actually... why don't I just make that now, upload it off-site, and link to it here for further discussion: [http://imgur.com/kmyJrys,lFzIt0x sample graphs] (two images there). [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 20:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
	::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)		::Updated the graphs slightly after feedback. [[User:TheRealSteve\|TheRealSteve]] ([[User talk:TheRealSteve\|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)