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Talk:Tonal Bitcoin

2012-08-26T05:14:54Z

Zyzygy:

The point of Bitcoin is that it is a decentralized peer to peer currency.
That is the novelty about Bitcoin; the novelty is NOT that it comes along with a funky new way of counting things.
So please stop using Bitcoin to promote your own agenda ; this is just going to confuse people.
If you want to introduce a new method for counting currency, I suggest you go talk to the FED and propose the Tonal Dollar, or whatever.
[[User:ThomasV|ThomasV]] 14:33, 20 February 2011 (GMT)
* If Bitcoin has only one purpose, then it will never succeed. There are about as many people that care about a "decentralized peer to peer currency" as there are that care about Tonal. If you want BitCoin to succeed, you should support as many (legal) reasons to use it as possible. Also, whether it's ever enforced or not, vandalism and trolling should be bannable offenses. --[[User:Luke-jr|Luke-jr]] 04:43, 21 February 2011 (GMT)

This page should be deleted.
Nothing against Tonal, if there was a Hexadecimal Bitcoin or an Octal Bitcoin I would suggest those get deleted, too.
* Seconded. Tonal is not a key part of bitcoin, and currently not used in any form. If there is a reasonable number of users using tonal, then I would have no objections against this page. [[User:Mqrius|Mqrius]] 05:11, 2 February 2012 (GMT)

This is silly. I thought you'd removed this already, but it's seeping across to other pages despite me never seeing it in the wild. It serves only to confuse [[User:Gigitrix|Gigitrix]] 01:41, 13 June 2011 (GMT)

I agree with Gavin that this page should be deleted. Regardless of my personal opinion or the technical merits of tonal v. decimal, it's fair to say that tonal attracts scorn and ridicule from the vast majority of the population if they hear about it. Bitcoin's reputation suffers from the association. [[User:ByteCoin|ByteCoin]] 24 June 2011 (GMT)
* It's not fair to say that, no. --[[User:Luke-jr|Luke-jr]] 00:45, 25 June 2011 (GMT)

I also think this page should be deleted. There are at least three people suggesting this now, so I will re-add the delete tag to the page. So far there seems to be only one objection to the delete. I will initiate voting on this talk page. --[[User:Rebroad|Rebroad]] 22:48, 20 March 2012 (GMT)
* '''Delete''' - I believe this tonal suggestion will only do harm to the bitcoin project, and so far the only person advocating it is luke-jr, who rarely gives any rational reasons that I nor anyone else AFAIK can understand. Sorry luke-jr, but I'm doing my best to get you to explain the benefits. --[[User:Rebroad|Rebroad]] 22:52, 20 March 2012 (GMT)
*'''Delete''' - I've been lurking for a while, but I registered after seeing this nonsense here. Clearly if luke-jr is simply (and rather immaturely) blanking the discussion rather than responding to the specific points he has few arguments to marshal in his favor. --[[User:Zyzygy|Zyzygy]] ([[User talk:Zyzygy|talk]]) 05:14, 26 August 2012 (GMT)

Tonal Bitcoin

2012-08-26T04:49:31Z

Zyzygy: rv vandalism

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Tonal Bitcoin is a representation of the Bitcoin network aimed toward the minority of people who use the Tonal number system.
This is an alternative to decimal and the metric system, which [[User:luke-jr]] believes improves usability drastically by allowing for infinite binary division (note that Bitcoin protocol support is still finite).
For more information on the Tonal system in general, please see [http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/tonal-system/10991091 the book].

Please note, that all numbers of TBC and its divisions/multipliers are written in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System Tonal], not decimal.
This means that instead of counting 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10-- you count: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, , 9, , , , , , 10. Some higher-value digits may require installing a [http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/fonts/ font].

{| border="1" style="text-align:right;font-family:Console, Luxi Mono, fixed"
|- style="background-color:silver"
! Abbreviation
! Pronunciation
! [[Tonal BitCoin|Tonal (TBC)]]
! Decimal (BTC)
|-
|
| Tam-BitCoin
| 1 0000 0000     
| 2 814 749.767 106 56
|-
| ᵇTBC
| Bong-BitCoin
| 1 0000     
| 42.949 672 96
|-
| ᵐTBC
| Mill-BitCoin
| 1000     
| 2.684 354 56
|-
| ˢTBC
| San-Bitcoin
| 100     
| 0.167 772 16
|-
| ᵗTBC
| Ton-BitCoin
| 10     
| 0.010 485 76
|-
| TBC
| BitCoin*
| 1     
| 0.000 655 36
|-
| TBCᵗ
| BitCoin-ton
| 0.1   
| 0.000 040 96
|-
| TBCˢ
| BitCoin-san
| 0.01  
| 0.000 002 56
|-
| TBCᵐ
| BitCoin-mill
| 0.001 
| 0.000 000 16
|-
| TBCᵇ
| BitCoin-bong
| 0.0001
| 0.000 000 01
|}

<small>* Tonal BitCoin and Decimal BitCoin can be differentiated by the pronunciation of the numbers. "One bitcoin", "two bitcoin", etc is decimal, but "an bitcoin", "de bitcoin" is tonal.</small>

The total number of Tonal BitCoins ever (analogous to the 21mil BTC) is just over 7.75059 tam-bitcoin.

== Compatible Clients ==

While all BitCoin clients will correctly approximate values in decimal bitcoin, actual Tonal compatibility is sparse.

* [[Spesmilo]], despite its name, can be configured to display TBC

== Guessing TBC or BTC ==

Given variable 'value' in base units (uBTCents/TBCᵇ), one can guess whether it is properly Decimal BitCoin or Tonal BitCoin with the following pseudo-code:

if ( ! ( this % 0x10000 ) )
Choose Tonal BitCoin
if ( ! ( this % 1000000 ) )
Choose Decimal BitCoin
if ( ! ( this % 0x100 ) )
Choose Tonal BitCoin

=== Python ===

<pre>import math

def formatBTC(n, addSign = False):
s = "%0.2f BTC" % (math.ceil(n * 100) / 100.,)
if addSign and n >= 0:
s = "+" + s
return s

def Bitcoin2BTC(n):
return n / 100000000.

toTonalDict = dict(((57, u'\ue9d9'), (65, u'\ue9da'), (66, u'\ue9db'), (67, u'\ue9dc'), (68, u'\ue9dd'), (69, u'\ue9de'), (70, u'\ue9df'), (97, u'\ue9da'), (98, u'\ue9db'), (99, u'\ue9dc'), (100, u'\ue9dd'), (101, u'\ue9de'), (102, u'\ue9df')))

def formatTBC(n, addSign = False):
s = "%x" % n
n %= 1
if n:
s += '.'
while n:
n *= 16
s += "%x" % n
n %= 1
s = unicode(s).translate(toTonalDict)
s += " TBC"
if addSign and n >= 0:
s = "+" + s
return s

def Bitcoin2TBC(n):
return n / 65536.

def formatBitcoin(n, addSign = False):
if not n % 0x10000:
return formatTBC(Bitcoin2TBC(n), addSign);
if not n % 1000000:
return formatBTC(Bitcoin2BTC(n), addSign);
if not n % 0x100:
return formatTBC(Bitcoin2TBC(n), addSign);
s = "%d uBTCents" % (n,);
if addSign and n > 0:
s = "+" + s;
return s;</pre>

== Criticism ==

* [[User:Davout|Davout]] has to google this page each time someone mentions an amount in tonal bitcoin

=== Can be done without funny characters ===

The tonal notation requires extra fonts. Within the programming community there is a widely accepted convention for hexadecimal notation: use A-F for the higher order digits. Thus, one counts 0,1,2,3, ... , 9,A,B,C,D,E,F,10,11 .... There are even two conventions, (which are lacking in tonal) for distinguishing a base-16 number from a decimal. The C convention prefixes 0x and the Motorola convention suffixes h. So, the number san, 256 (decimal) would be written 0x100 or 100h. In tonal notation, it would only be written 100, and thus potentially confused with decimal 100 which is 0x64.

Thus programming notation accomplishes the same goals as tonal notation with no requirement for changing fonts, thus is more suited to wide usage. Further the prefix and suffix conventions lead to less ambiguity.

Talk:Tonal Bitcoin

2012-08-26T04:49:14Z

Zyzygy: rv vandalism